Was there a black hole before the big bang?
74As we already know, black holes are no big deal in our universe. On the other side of the black hole is a white hole, also known as universe. Our universe itself was a white hole to begin with.
The "space time" that is created at the very first moment of the white hole universe is unknown. It was probably matter spread uniformly across infinite space. They got clumped in various places over a period of time due to cooling effects and the minute aberrations in the original "big bang". Portions got dense enough to be a black hole. It is now known that black holes like to suck everything into it, but it misses out on a "flat disc" area, which happens to be the spiral shape of the galaxy. (Almost as if black holes have a blind spot from where they cannot suck in matter) So every black hole "creates" a galaxy. Since a black hole runs out of matter to capture and cannot capture the blind spot (probably even repels the blind spot), the galaxy expands.
Of course, on the other side of the black hole is the white hole where all the sucked up matter has ended up. It would be quite a substantial amount on the "white hole side" to begin a new universe; the leftover amount on the "black hole side" is what we call a galaxy. It also explains the enormous amount of empty spaces in our universe.
It is difficult to imagine the white hole, primarily because it does not stay in that state for long. Our universe started out as a white hole; it in turn had black holes of it's own; there were new universes created on the other side along with those black holes.
Black holes have a life of their own too. As they run out of "matter to capture", they undergo their own decay. The reason there is always a black hole at the center of the galaxy is that it was the reason for galaxy creation in the first place.
Space-time is complex to imagine; you have to imagine at least one more dimension, a fourth dimension. Whatever goes into a black hole has access to this fourth dimension; it eventually shows up as a while hole on a different space time scale.
You can think of this as a fractal recursion in four dimensions. Each black hole is the endpoint where a new 3D universe emerges. However, it is not a perfect fractal; this is because our universe has billions of black holes. The other side of a supermassive black hole (in a 4 dimensional sense) will be a massive 3D universe. A small black hole will probably have a more limited universe (I do not want to use the word finite, I guess all 3D universes will be infinite. Any boundaries, if they exist are probably in the 4th dimension or maybe an even higher dimension).
If we consider time a fourth dimension, I believe black hole gets access to at least one more dimension. It is not a permanent connection. Once the black hole starts running out of matter to absorb, it cannot communicate with this other dimension. If the black hole becomes active again (during galaxy collisions), it will get access to a different space time and not the same space time that it had access to during the instance of the original black hole creation.
Since black hole loses connection with the other side, the big bang is a mystery to us; the other side is long gone.
http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/
Go to the above site for an excellent interactive presentation of black holes. Read the answer to the question "What is inside a black hole?". There is already speculation that there is another universe inside a black hole and it is "allowed" under Einstein's theories related to relativity.
If you tie the big bang universe arising out of an imaginary point and the black hole disappearing into an actual point, it is obvious. (Of course a rigorous scientist won't make this jump, but they will be making this jump pretty quick as more data gets accumulated. So remember where you read this first!) This universe was created by a black hole and in turn has spawned billions of other universes. A universe is nothing but a line on some 5 dimensional axis or a point on some 6 dimensional axis (depending on where you are looking from). Since we can sense only three/four dimensions, these properties of a black hole (and our own universe) are not sensed by us.
More info here:
http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/encyc_mod3_q4.html
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Hi Lana. Yes after reading your comment twice I thought over it again and understood what you are talking about and what you are saying. Actually you are right that time is made by us, the human beings, on this planet, earth, for our own convinience and but everything which has been over here is created by someone but we are the end users of everything, like nature, moutains, water resources, and clocks, mobiles, stop watches everything so in order to discuss these things, we human beings have set up some parameters to relate or discuss with each other, so according to me time is also that thing which is invented by human beings and not by any alien so over here also we human beings are discussing this and not any alien or some other creature from other planets (Aliens if they are here or on other planets must have there own time system or something like that), so I used that system of ours which is TIME to discuss this hub "was there a black hole before the big bang". By the way, thanks for taking your precious time in reading this hub and commenting. IN THIS STATEMENT, I am again using the word TIME. hahahahaha.
Hi every body knows the birth of the universe is a result of BIG BANG. I am having a little knowledge and let it publish. A big explosion is the source of birth of the Universe. This explosion to which we named BIG BANG is 12-14 billion years of past. There was a point unit with high, very, very high tremendous high density.
It was the instance when there were no time, no place. According to big bang, great amount of energy liberate by which’s influence our universe is spreading until now.
In 1^-43 (one raise to the power -43) second evidence of affiliations come in existence. By this short of time, all the physical quantities like time, length, Laws Of Physics, come in existence. 1^-34 second after the explosion, newly born universe expanded 1^+39 times as it was initially. QUARK, LAPTON, PHOTON have converted to hot liquid. 1^-4 QUARK combined to form a PROTON and NEUTRON. Now the universe has been cooled by this time and new elements like H, He started to produce.
That’s all my knowledge about Big bang. Reply if you can!
Thanks for your useful input on understanding black holes princeland.
I am not sure if there was a black hole before the big bang or not.
Soni - interesting explanation on black holes, white holes and the Big Bang. Some of your statesments are confusing. In one section you say that black holes become white holes and the galaxy. In another section you say that black holes eventually become a universe.
To my understanding there is a vast difference between universe and galaxy. If black holes are the origins of universes (as you seem to claim), and there are millions of black holes in our universe alone - any estimate on how many universes?
Thanks for interesting and thought provoking article.
Excellent article. I have always suspected that black holes do create new universes so to speak, but I don't think I could have explained it that well. I suppose that we are in just one of infinite cycles of expansion and contraction and just like we discovered that our planet, sun, and galaxy were not that special we are now finding out that neither is our universe. Thanks.
It's my pleasure walk the line. Thanks for the comment.
everything we speculate as humans on the creation of time and space.is all just speculation maybe its totally beyond our understanding maybe its something were just not smart enough to understand imagine if you will trying to teach your dog "Quantum physics" the dog will never grasp it.its beyond him and it always will be.we like to consider ourselfs intelligent beings but compared to what a dog???
That was a brilliant comment James. I appreciate your ideology which at the same time is hilarious and ironical too.
I have been speculating the exact same ideology Soni.
I continue to be bothered by one aspect of my musings though.
How big was the black hole that created our big bang? I mean it had to be huge! Now, perspective comes in here and says although we feel as though our universe is massive, the universe that spawns such large black holes that create our size universes must be simply incomprehensible in size!
Is it possible that there is a "parent" universe, and from it, billions of smaller and smaller universes are created via black holes, like ours? Like a large bubble that has temporary holes in it and deflates into other universes?
So many questions I'd like answered in my lifetime... :)
That's really wonderful. "A parent universe from which billions of small universes are created through black holes"
And that parent universe which we think is a parent universe is not a parent universe but is a second generation baby universe itself because there are a lot of other parent universes like that which have given birth to the smaller universes and those parent universes are given birth by grandparent universes and also grandgrandparent universes. This is a never ending thing G7.
I share your idea that black holes create universes and was the source of our big bang. Basically, black holes are natures ultimate breeding ground. I think it could also help explain dark energy. Think of multiple universes all in the same "baloon" I think all the universes existing in a brane are all exerting force on each other, thus causing each brane to expand faster then was originally caused by the big bang.
Hi joe, thanks a lot for sharing your views on the big bang theory.
I have also thought that our Universe was spawned from the reverse side of a Black Hole. We are taught that energy is never destroyed, only that it changes state. All matter within the universe is ultimately derived from the same source. We and everything around us are made up from the constituent parts and elements thrown out from the Big Bang. Perhaps these very elements have always existed. Sucked in to a supermassive blackhole on the other side of what we call the Big Bang. Black Holes are the seeds of the Universe. The cycle of life and death is a common theme in the Universe so it seems clear and most likely that this can be applied to the Universe itself. Life on Earth from the simplest forms to us mammals, we all follow the same rules. Reproduction seems to be the key here. Black Holes appear to be the perfect vehicle to create new beginnings.
I could never accept that there was simply 'nothing' before the Big Bang. How could everything we see around us today just coalesce from 'nothing'? Perhaps my inability to fathom exactly what 'nothing' is reflects the fact that I am merely human but, regardless, I still firmly believe our Big Bang was not the start of all there ever was and has been.
Maybe the universe has no cause.
Excellent JumboDave excellent. I think I need to agree with you. Your are so right. Thanks for the awareness.
@PrometheusKid, I don't think so.
This appreciation of the Universe shows a deep awarness. I am curious how you came to know this. Widespread comprehension of this will have a tremendous impact on the consciousness of Us as it reveals a deeper understanding of the fractal nature of all life. What is your role in this? Are you aware of Nassim Haramein's work?
Every organism has a discrete role in universe. Though I am not aware of Nassim Haramein's work but your questions have initiated my thought process to find and research his work. Thanks for your karmatic comment.
What if black holes are just a imploded star or mass that creates dense gravity and once it has sucked up enough matter to reach ultimate density it
explodes
Really this is actually quite old news. Should be concerning yourself with survival. Build a craft to get everyone to the newest earth planet! It's 20 billion light years away. Please consider electromagnetism as it is an abundant source of energy. Once you have discovered this craft prep for black hole travel to get to the light side of the black hole is next. Come on keep moving keep moving. No time for exaltation.
AlanaCorinne26 3 years ago
That was quite an interesting explaination of a black hole. The only thing that I diagree with is that time is in a 4th dimention. My perception of time is that it's nothing but a human construct. We call it time and set seconds,minutes, hours on our stop-watches and cell phones, but what is it really? I wish that I had my wits about me so that I could discuss this further...but, alas, I'm exhausted. :( Sorry....
~Lana~